{"id":7616,"date":"2019-09-30T04:20:22","date_gmt":"2019-09-30T04:20:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/churchedge.com\/illustrations\/index.php\/2019\/09\/30\/i-dont-need-jesus-and-neither-do-you\/"},"modified":"2019-09-30T04:20:22","modified_gmt":"2019-09-30T04:20:22","slug":"i-dont-need-jesus-and-neither-do-you","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.churchedge.com\/illustrations\/i-dont-need-jesus-and-neither-do-you\/","title":{"rendered":"I Don&#8217;t Need Jesus and Neither Do You"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>An entry in the online forum &#8220;LunaticOutpost.com&#8221;:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cFrom what I understand from Christians, I am \u201cborn in sin.\u201d  And then, every little thing that I have ever done wrong is added up and, no matter what kind of good I do in this life, this will add up to me being so irredeemably bad that I will have to burn in eternal torment forever.<\/p>\n<p>And there is nothing I can do to make it okay with God.  Except this one thing.  Which is to have Jesus save me.<\/p>\n<p>But the thing is this: Either their God is a very, very, very unloving, unkind person, or else this is [he uses a stronger word than \u201cbaloney\u201d].<\/p>\n<p>There is nothing I have ever done that a reasonable person would not, if I asked, forgive me for, and I can prove it.<\/p>\n<p>I have forgiven EVERYONE.  A bit more than a year ago &#8230; I made the choice to consciously and [literally] forgive every single person that has ever directly or indirectly, consciously or unintentionally caused me any hardship or pain.  It wasn\u2019t always easy to do, but I eventually did it.<\/p>\n<p>Doing this has changed my life in some amazing ways.  I feel profoundly liberated.  I am without the anger and hatred that used to plague me.  So that was cool.<\/p>\n<p>But it makes me think: I cannot be \u201cbigger\u201d than God.  Surely!  I would not send a single soul to hell, if it were up to me.  I would try to show them why they should transform.  Why they should learn compassion.<\/p>\n<p>I would do all that and I am just a normal guy on planet earth who has had a few decades to work things out as best he can.  I am not the eternal all-knowing creator of all things.  Who, I would think, would be a bit more wise and loving than me.<\/p>\n<p>So the bottom line is this: God is more than me.  More love, more compassion, more wisdom, more understanding, more everything.  If God cannot forgive more than I can, then that is not God we are talking about.  So God can forgive me and I don\u2019t need to have someone die for my sins.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The person had given their essay this title: \u201cI don\u2019t need Jesus and neither do you.  REALLY.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>It is an interesting argument, but does it hold up?  Is my forgiving someone the same as what God does?  As a mere man, can I forgive Hitler for the millions of murders he committed?  Certainly I could forgive him for what he had done to me personally, but what would I be doing in that case?  When I forgive, I am letting someone off the hook, but I am not really dealing with the underlying offense.<\/p>\n<p>God has to do this, because he is holy.  And his holiness is what human can\u2019t really grasp.  This is why we still need a savior.  We need Jesus.  REALLY.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>An entry in the online forum &#8220;LunaticOutpost.com&#8221;: \u201cFrom what I understand from Christians, I am \u201cborn in sin.\u201d And then, every little thing that I have ever done wrong is added up and, no matter what kind of good I do in this life, this will add up to me being so irredeemably bad that [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[1161,527,3600,2721,4624,105],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.churchedge.com\/illustrations\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7616"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.churchedge.com\/illustrations\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.churchedge.com\/illustrations\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.churchedge.com\/illustrations\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.churchedge.com\/illustrations\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=7616"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.churchedge.com\/illustrations\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7616\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.churchedge.com\/illustrations\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=7616"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.churchedge.com\/illustrations\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=7616"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.churchedge.com\/illustrations\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=7616"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}